Jesus of Nazareth
Moses and David
The Remnant and the Twelve Apostles
All Israel "Come out of her, My people!"
All Nations of the earth
Desktop
Mobile
Bot
Visitorsto this page
Contributors
Sign in Membership Add Event Public Member Discussions Member Phone Book
Passover and Unleavened Bread
Someone should post the schedule of events and sermons. A moderator can click edit and change anything. Add Tabernacles as well. Remember to put the dates in above and to click show event in calenda...see 1 comment
Annie the Play at Church of Israel
The Church of Israel in Shell City Missouri put on Annie during the feast of Unleavened Bread. Someone familiar with the production should replace this event with real pictures and video if available...Be first to comment
Loading Calendar ...
Search the membership and for articles or events
New topic. Post what is on you mind today
3 Mysteries of Elijah Jr Wickey Mar 27, 2014
3 Mysteries of Elijah
John the Baptists' identity: Jesus tells us that John fulfilled the prophesy about Elijah, adding "He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." John is asked directly "Are you Elijah" to which he answers "No."
Elijah's end time ministry which Jesus seems to say has been fulfilled: Elijah is clearly named as a prophet that arises in the end times. Both of whom, Elijah and the end time witness call fire down from heaven when threatened and God gives both the power to call and relieve droughts by their own word alone. Of course, John the Baptist did neither.
The nature of Elijah's translation: Was he taken to heaven where he resides in endless, sedentary bliss? Is he asleep to rise with the rest more...
less
of the resurrected? Has he received his resurrected body before Jesus the first fruits of the resurrection? Or does he remain mortal, walking Jacob's ladder from time to time, awaiting his greater ministry wherein he is killed and then resurrected for the first time three days later? Elijah is translated or taken before one of the wars early in the reign of Jehoshaphat, king of Israel. Yet, six years later after Jehoshaphat's death, Elijah writes a letter to his son.
Revelation 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
The two witness and their death is clearly a literal event as they that dwell upon the earth rejoice at their death, sending gifts to one another. Indeed, spiritual interpretations are clearly delimited by identification of the city Jerusalem in direct juxtaposition with its spiritual identification.
Revelation 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
As it turns out with one single adjustment to our presumption about resurrection, all three become one single self consistent account of the life and ministry of Elijah.
Malachi 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; 4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers,
Luke 1:5 ¶ There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, 7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years. 11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. 13 The angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. 17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Mark 9:11 And they asked him, [Jesus] saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come 12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought. 13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
Matthew 11:11 Verily I [Jesus] say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
John 1:6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
¶ And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then Art thou Elias And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet And he answered, No. 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Isaiah 40:3 ¶ The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Other passages possibly relevant to Elijah
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Shortly thereafter, Jesus met with Moses and Elijah. Moses did taste of death
Deuteronomy 34:5 ¶ So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
Other scriptures possibly relating to Elijah
Revelation 11: 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Malachi 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; 4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers,
Zechariah 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves
What did Revelation tell us about what the witnesses do? Command fire and drought at their word.
1 Kings 17:1 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
Did Elijah die? If he is dead, he is not a ghost. He sleeps. Rather does he still act in the affairs of men after he was translated?
2 Kings 3:11 But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the LORD, that we may enquire of the LORD by him And one of the king of Israel's servants answered and said, Here is Elisha the son of Shaphat, which poured water on the hands of Elijah.
six years later...
2 Chronicles 21:1 ¶ Now Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And Jehoram his son reigned in his stead.
¶ Now when Jehoram was risen up to the kingdom of his father, he strengthened himself, and slew all his brethren with the sword, and divers also of the princes of Israel. ... And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah, 13 But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father's house, which were better than thyself:
If we presume that Moses and Elijah received their resurrected bodies or if we presume that John the Baptist was the entirety of the fulfillment of the prophesies regarding Elijah, then these scriptures contradict each other.
If you post your thoughts, I'll post mine. If we alter our presumption, all these scriptures line up like they were written by the same author about the same man. Be first to comment
Accusations of SabbathBreaking Jr Wickey Mar 27, 2014
Accusations of SabbathBreaking
Our Lord and Saviour was accused of two counts of Sabbath breaking
this impacts
The validity of the Blood of Christ as a fit sacrifice under Moses' Law
By the examples given below, did Jesus tell us that Sabbath, which predated Moses, was always different in its nature than even Moses understood? -That even Moses' law didn't capture its true naturei That Moses would have, and did, put to death any man who behaved as David did or any priest, and Jesus Himself for his Sabbath breaking activities, but that Moses should never have done that?
Or did Jesus, by his Sacrifice, change the nature of the Sabbath, which predated Moses, from that which Moses understood it to be to something different? And Moses more...
less
should no longer put such to death?
Or did Jesus say something different? Something simpler, something which is consistent with Moses' understanding and which is also consistent with the law as Moses as stated it?
Did God intend and purpose these things to be so difficult to understand?
This is a detailed examination of the pertinent scriptures.
It interesting that of all subjects covered in the Gospels, the accusation of Jesus' Sabbath breaking is one of the most covered, appearing in all four Gospels over 9 chapters in all, sometimes occupying the entire chapter, more verses then almost any other subject, including Jesus' words on the end times.
Matthew 12 Mark 2 Mark 3 Mark 6 Luke 13 Luke 14 John 5 John 7 John 9
There were two accusations. One that Jesus healed on the Sabbath day and one that Jesus and his company picked corn on the Sabbath day. The first is easy to understand. Jesus retorted "You error. You failed to read Moses law." He explains that Moses commanded that if on the Sabbath day your ox or your neighbor's ox is in a ditch, you must help. You are commanded to do so.
The accusation of healing on the Sabbath is easy to understand. The lame that were healed had their ox in the ditch for many years. On that Sabbath day Jesus encountered them and with the power of healing, He kept Moses' law by pulling their ox out of the ditch at His first natural encounter with them, which was a Sabbath day.
The Pharisees incorrectly imposed the traditions of men instead, not the Law of God.
Jesus' sacrifice for our wickedness and for our incapacity and for our insufficiency was perfect under the law of Moses. It had to be perfect in every detail, otherwise it could not satisfy the law of Moses which condemns us. Only if Jesus' sacrifice were perfect in every respect under the Law could His sacrifice satisfy the Law and redeem us.
We can be sure that Jesus kept Moses' law perfectly in every respect the entirety of His life, so that we may be excused for our willful and our ignorant breaking of the law under the New Covenant.
This fact is what makes the second accusation difficult to understand.
Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
I have heard a few clumsy explanations. One of which is that Jesus wasn't actually picking corn, His disciples were doing the picking. Also, they weren't actually picking corn. Instead they were eating it on the stalk. Indeed the Pharisees are still alive today, nitpicking the law to justify what ever interpretation is convenient for them.
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Exodus 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exodus 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
The Law commands the Sabbath more than 50 times. The Sabbath is clearly an important concept, one which we as children find difficult to understand.
Mother says to her young daughter. "Don't scribble on the wall! I mean it! Don't do it !" The daughter can't imagine how this could be so important. When she draws her pretty pictures on paper the paper crinkles, but when she draws on the wall, it stands firm and it holds the pretty picture upright so everyone can see what she drew. And the best part is that in the morning when she wakes, the wall is all clean again and she can start to draw on it all over again.
What could possibly by bad about writing on the wall? Maybe mother just doesn't like drawing pictures and doesn't understand how much fun it it. The little child has no concept of the extra work she causes her mother, cleaning the wall, nor even that the mother is doing the work of cleaning up her mess.
That is we. Christ cleans up our mess with His work, sweat, tears and His Blood, and most of the time, we aren't even aware we did something wrong.
Jesus and all with Him under His authority, in His household, would never have gathered the food they were to eat on Sabbath on that same day. They would have done that on the day of Preparation. Jesus would never have failed to prepare for the Sabbath on the day of Preparation. Otherwise His blood sacrifice would have been insufficient. God forbid.
Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
Luke 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
They weren't just eating the corn, they were plucking and doing the work of preparing the corn to eat, servile work of their hands. And this on the second sabbath after the first. Did they do this the Sabbath before as well? Or is this Sabbath referred to as the second Sabbath for another reason?
Jesus answered this accusation differently than the other. Jesus did not correct them in a point of law like He did with healing on Sabbath. Instead he pointed out what appears to be two contradictions in Moses' law and then in all four Gospels closes with one of the most enigmatic passages in the Bible.
Jesus points out that David broke the law in taking the showbread. "when himself (David) was an hungred, and they which were with him; How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat"
It was not lawful for David to do that.
He also points out "on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless" and "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"
Is Jesus saying that the Sabbath is just a really good idea, but sometimes "ya just gotta break it even when your ox isn't in a ditch. Maybe if you're really hungry, it's OK."
Even if Jesus is saying this, would He have made this change before making His blood sacrifice, which was required to be perfect under the law of Moses?
After all, it is His sacrifice which cleansed both David and the priests' sin on the occasions He sites. His sacrifice had to conform to every jot and tittle of the Law to make this happen; and He fulfilled all of it to the letter.
There is one more thing which Jesus adds to this account of contradictions. The Gospel writers record these words of Jesus in all four, but John records it differently.
Matthew 12: 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Mark 2: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6: 5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. John 5: 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
This statement is obviously a reference to the first chapter of Genesis, where God invents the Sabbath. He rested on the seventh day of creation and called it the Sabbath. He is Lord and Master of it, because it is His invention. It is what and when He says it is. He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Does this mean that Jesus changed the Sabbath? Did He decide to show people that He changed the day of the Sabbath which Abraham and Moses and David observed? Or did He change the mode of Sabbath keeping?
Is the Sabbath different now, in our time than it was in the time of Moses? Is it different than in the time before Moses, from Adam to Moses? Is it different that it shall be in the time after His coming as we read in the last chapter of Isaiah?
Would He make such a change before He proved He could satisfy Moses Law perfectly?
Matthew 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus' righteousness did exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. He broke not even the least commandment. He did not alter even one jot or one tittle of the Law and He fulfilled all of it to the letter.
The Pharisees were not holding Jesus to the traditions of men in this case. This activity was specifically described by Moses. -Gathering food for the Sabbath day meals. And a man was put to death as an example for this very activity.
This commandment, it is one of the ten commandments, is so important that Moses made an example of a sabbath breaker.
Numbers 15: 32 They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation1 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
The Sabbath is a perpetual covenant for all generations Exodus 31:16 for just one passage and which perpetual covenant long, long preceded Moses. It was begun in the very first chapter of Genesis at the creation of the world. And it is described as kept on a weekly basis in the millennial Kingdom of God on earth after Jesus returns. Isaiah 66:23 "And it shall come to pass, [in that day and at that blessed time in the future] that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."
The Sabbath remains unchanged from before Moses to after the Kingdom is established on earth, just as Tabernacles.
So why was He participating in an activity which Moses specifically and expressly named as forbidden on the Sabbath, something which Moses specifically instructed to do on the day of preparation, not Sabbath?
By the examples given, did Jesus tell us that Sabbath, which predated Moses, was always different in its nature than even Moses understood? -That even Moses' law didn't capture its true naturek That Moses would have, and did, put to death any man who behaved as David did or any priest, and Jesus Himself for his Sabbath breaking activities, but that Moses should never have done that?
Or did Jesus change the nature of the Sabbath, which predated Moses, from that which Moses understood it to be to something different? And Moses should no longer put such to death?
Or did Jesus say something different? Something simpler, something which is consistent with Moses' understanding and which is also consistent with the law as Moses as stated it?
Why are these things so hard to understand? Why didn't God just explain things simply and clearly? He didn't. He intentionally obscured them.
Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables
To paraphrase Jesus' answer: If I spoke plainly, then everyone would understand. What good could possibly come from that? Read Isaiah, he already explained this.
I want to hear your ideas, before I give you mine. I did the work of gathering the scripture and opened the subject, now its your turn. If you are interested in investigating this subject then type some words, post your comment and talk about it. Even if it is only to ask me what I think.
Tell us what you think. You can also post in the private area of the site. No non-member can read your comments and all communications are robustly encrypted as the data travels over the Internet. Be first to comment
This is the new HEIRSOFABRAHAM Jr Wickey Mar 27, 2014
This is the new HEIRSOFABRAHAM.NET
It is new so there are probably a few bugs and glitches. If you find one, Please tell me about it here.
Let me know what additional features you would like to see. see 1 comment
Insights to Prophesy Jr Wickey Apr 27, 2014
Insights to Prophesy
Babylon
Abraham Promise
~2000BC
Persia
Moses Marriage
~1600BC
Neo-Babylon
Divorce
~800BC
Medo-Persia
2nd Temple
~500BC
Greece
~300BC
Rome
Christ
~AD30
Europe
~AD800
U.S.
~AD1700
Day of the Lord
Kingdom of God
These are historical events more...
less
into which fit the 129 chapters of prophetical events recorded in the Bible. Mark them on a large poster board.
13% of the Bible is expressly end time prophesy. The text itself identifies it as end time prophesy. Only 11% of that is found in the Revelation letter. Print them all out.
Cut each prophesy out. They will automatically format so that the text of any given prophesy will not wrap to the next page. You can adjust the number of lines on a page and the line length for your printer ?p=45&l=70 is 45 lines per page and 70 characters on a line. Just change the numbers.
Pick a prophesy, read it and place it on the time line. When does the New Covenant? When you find it, put it where the events described imply that it must go. If you have difficulty with a prophesy, put it aside and pick another. The beauty of this method is that no matter how many mistakes are made and how many prophesies are set aside, the very same pattern emerges every time.
Mistakes become obvious and the correct place for prophesies that were set aside become evident as more and more are put in place.
Start with a large poster board. Set it up in a safe place where it will not be disturbed. Expect this to take weeks. see 2 comments
Less than 80 years ago, everyone ate bread that contained hundreds of thousands of species of organisms in the Saccharomyces genus. This practice had begun in ancient Babylon and transmitted to the entire world at the dawn of civilization. Moses and Jesus incorporated knowledge of this important organism in their teaching on leavening.
About 80 years ago, humanity became germo-phobic and subscribed to the fantasy that someday soon, we would understand all of the body's nutritional needs. We would eat a blue pill for a steak dinner and red for chicken. That fantasy has finally died, but we haven't gone back to more...
less
the ancient benefits of probiotic bread.
Be first to comment
Septuagint Jr Wickey May 6, 2014
Septuagint
Did Peter write a truth which he merely inferred from scripture or did He directly quote scripture?
1 Peter 4:18 "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"
Is this a quote from the Old Testament? If so, show me the passage?
Proverbs 11:31 "Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner."
No way. That is not the scripture Peter quoted. Is it? Please read the very same passage as it appears in the Brenton English translation of the Greek Septuagint.
Septuagint Proverbs 11: 31 "If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?"
1 Peter was originally written in Greek. Proverbs was originally written more...
less
in Hebrew. However, Peter didn't quote from the Hebrew translating it into Greek. The Hebrew was first translated into Greek in about 400BC. The high priest of Israel at the time, having been originally commissioned by Ezra and Nehemiah, gladly approved the Septuagint translation and Peter a, good Jew, as the KJV translators use the term "Jew" (Be careful with that term.) Peter used the Septuagint as the authentic Word of God, including it in the New Testament as we receive it today.
See the above. As we can see, the Greek is identical down to the last punctuation mark.
Obviously, Peter lifted the exact wording from the Greek Septuagint, of course making the correct grammatical alteration in the first words to fit it into his text. The King James translators accurately translated the same Greek in 1 Peter as the Septuagint English translators translated the Greek found in Proverbs 11:31, word for word because of course the Greek is word for word. However, the King James translators did not translate the Hebrew of Proverbs 11 into English even close to the English they translated from Greek in 1 Peter.
What does this mean? Did the KJV translators make a mistake?
2 Timothy 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
The scriptures to which Timothy refers are the Septuagint. The KJV should not exist for another 1600 years after the time Timothy wrote. Neither did the entire text of the New Testament. Timothy is telling us that we can rely on the Old Testament Scriptures. That God preserves His word.
The Word of God is secure and preserved whether it is in the English KJV or in the Greek Septuagint. No false doctrine can be proven from the text of the KJV nor from the text of the Septuagint and no true doctrine can be disproven from either the text of the KJV nor from the Septuagint. God's word does not change and of this we can be sure.
As I read the bible over and over, this time I am reading it in the Brenton English translation of the Septuagint. It is fascinating to read the different wordings. I find many instances as the above. Showing me where New Testament writers were quoting form the Old Testament in ways that are not obvious. At no point have I yet found any passages that contradict the KJV. How could it? They are both the Word of God.
Any God who is not powerful enough to preserve His word is no god at all. Our God, the God of our fathers, the Blessed and Praise worthy God of Israel has no difficulty preserving His word, whether that be in Greek or in English. He wrote His word with such genius and so perfectly that it survives even profane translations. Look at the infamous NIV translation of Ezra
NIV Ezra 9:2 "They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them. And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness.
If God can keep His word safe from even the NIV translators, then we can be assured God's word is safe. From these facts, we can be sure that all doctrine can be judged by the KJV.
Be first to comment
I have never celebrated jameswickey Jul 26, 2015
I have never celebrated Easter in the way that most know, so what I do know is all second hand knowledge. I know that it involves Easter bunnies, Easter eggs, Easter egg hunts, yummy candies, and an Easter ham with plenty more food to go around. For Christians it is obviously more than that. It is to commemorate the life, death, and namely the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus of Nazareth. For a large number of Christians this involves a rather long time period involving a special YHoly Week and 40 days of fasting, penance, and self-reflection. Now looking at this, it sounds great, besides the penance of course. Remembering this horrific event is good. So good. In fact, it is needed. We need to remember that Jesus died for us. That His blood can wipe away our sins. more...
less
That now, because our merciful Father allowed it, we can have all of our sins be forgotten. How great is He to give such a gift to such an underserving people! But where does this celebration come from? When did it begin? How was it celebrated? Should a God-fearing Christian celebrate this day?
I will readily admit that there is much debate on the origins of Easter. Some I m sure are conflicting, but the experts on the matter, as well as most, if not all, learned bible scholars agree that the Easter celebration roots are pagan. I am not going into the history and origins of the Christian holidays in this writing. Instead, before you comment, look into the traditions we use during these times. Look at the big ones and the small ones, particularly the Christmas tree and the Easter bunnies and eggs as well as the songs to go along with it all. It is shameful that this information is not more known. Knowing these things will help you better understand the subject matter.
About a year ago, my wife and I met a pastor to discuss Christmas. I felt, and still do, that this man has a very good and caring heart. I do enjoy his sermons although I feel he is missing some things. As we talked, I began to bring up the origins of Christmas. He readily agreed with me, and in fact finished the topic for me. This man knew for a fact that Christmas was a pagan holiday, but claims that now it is a sacred holy day for our God. This man is not alone. Many people believe this very same thing. But is this okay? Can a Holy day be taken from unholy roots?
Is Easter biblical? I guess it would depend on how you look at it. Technically, Easter is in the Holy Bible. The word Easter is not found anywhere in the Old Testament. It is found in the New Testament, which makes sense. What is important to know is that in Greek, the language in which the New Testament was written, there is only one word for both the Hebrew Holy Day Passover@ and EasterF. That word is Pascha. This is important to know in order to understand the usage of Passover and Easter in the Bible. Pascha is used 29 different times in the New Testament. To my knowledge, the King James translators are the only ones to translate Pascha to Easter in the book of Acts, chapter 12 verse 4. None other does this. Many people believe this to be a mistranslation and was corrected in future translations but I look at this as proof that the Almighty God was with those men, governing the translation to ensure His Word through the King James Bible. 4 And when he (King Herod) had apprehended him (Peter), he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. The rationale behind the people trying to (correctR this is absurd. The smarter ones claim that it was an obvious mistranslation and should be Passover, but this is simply not true. Passover, explained in Exodus 12, is a holy celebration, set by God, to remember the passing over the children of Israel when killing the firstborns in Egypt. Also explained in Leviticus 23, is that the day of Passover was the 14th day. Directly following this day was the called the Feast of Unleavened Bread, never to be confused with Passover. If you read just one verse before in Acts 12, you will see 3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) Verse 3 shows us that Peter was arrested during the days of unleavened bread, which comes after Passover. Therefore, Pascha, used in this way, could not have meant Passover, which means that it does in fact mean Easter. Be careful not to mix these two; Passover is commanded by God to His people to be celebrated, Easter was a pagan festival that ChristTs killer celebrated.
Did the Apostles celebrate Easter? This is an important question. Surely the Apostles, the men that will rule directly under Jesus Christ in the Kingdom, would make sure to celebrate Easter if they were supposed to. Surely this would have been recorded in the Bible. Yet there is nothing. Not one thing in the Bible that mentions them celebrating Easter, or even a yearly celebration that was enacted to commemorate the resurrection of The Savior, much less the use of bunnies and eggs. I have heard some say that this is because God did not enact this day until 70 or 100 years after the death of Christ. How absurd! Where is the proof? The holy days the Father gave us He gave us directly after the event, not 100 years later. More importantly, He told us what to celebrate and when to do it! This thought is merely the flesh resisting the truth that has been made known.
Is Easter condoned by God? Easter has been celebrated by Christians for millennia, so it would just make sense that Easter has GodJs approval. This is pure emotion. Make sure to use logic. Can we prove that God likes, or even accepts Easter because we have done it for so long? No! We must use the Bible for answers. After the Israelites finally came before the land that God promised Abraham, they stood before the land, just across the Jordan River, and Moses preached. Moses knew he would die soon and so he made sure to make every word count. He left his people with the Word of God. He first reminds them, as he had done many times, who their God was and the many great things He had done for them. Then he warned them. Deuteronomy chapter 11, verse 16 says 16 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them;. Now why did Moses say this? Clearly this would not happen. These people witnessed miracle after miracle. They were told of the wondrous miracles their parents had witnessed. Of course they knew who their God was. Deuteronomy 12:30-31 explains this. 29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. God knew His people would want to worship Him the way the heathen worshiped their gods! Our God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is a jealous God. He will not tolerate worship unless it is the way He wants to be worshipped. That is the reason for verse 32. We are to do as God has commanded us. Not to add to anything of what He says, including how we worship Him. I ask that you look at this evidence closely. Really study it. Try to tear it apart. Try to prove it wrong. That is what we are supposed to do. If we have the ears to hear and the eyes to see, we will see and hear if we want it. We must not let our flesh get in the way of eternal salvation. We must do our best to worship the Father fully and completely.
The modern Christian holidays do celebrate God and I firmly believe that most Christians celebrate it to worship Him. The fact is though that intent does not matter here. You can do your best to please God, and you may be doing really good things, but when it comes to worship and Gods Word intent does not matter. Read 2nd Samuel 6. 6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God. Here Uzzah tried to stop the Ark of the Lord from falling. Presumably, he knew the significance of it and did now want to see it disgraced by getting dirty. The Lord had commanded His people not to touch it or they would die, and because Uzzah did this, he must be killed, regardless of the good intent. Also, we can look at 1st Samuel 15. In this chapter, King Saul is commanded by God to kill all the Amalekites, men women and child as well as the livestock. He was to leave nothing alive. Instead, 9 But Saul and the people spared Agag (king of the Amalekites), and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. After doing this, king Saul talked with Samuel, 13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD.14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear? 15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed. Here we can see that Saul KNEW he did good in the sight of God. He KNEW he did what God wanted. How could God not be pleased anyway? Saul brought an enormous offering for the Lord. The best animals of the land. The reason God was displeased with Saul was because he would not listen to Him. If he would have gave those livestock as a sacrifice, Saul would not have been doing this to God, but to another god, because God did not want it.
God\s chosen people have been worshipping other gods in His name for a long time. In Exodus 32, Moses leaves his people to talk with the Father. During this time, the people have Aaron make a golden calf for worship. What is interesting is that the people were still worshipping God, just in a way that God disapproved of. We see this in verse 5, 5 And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD. They didn`t completely forget about God like most say, they just wanted to worship Him differently. Thankfully for our FatherBs mercy and His love for Moses He did not immediately kill all of them. In 1 Kings chapter 12 we see something similar to our current situation. Jeroboam has just received authority over the ten tribes of Israel by God. Now that he has this power, he knew that if he did as God wanted, which was to hold their sacrifice in Jerusalem, the people would kill him and turn back to the house of David. (verse 27) So instead of holding Tabernacles in Jerusalem on the 15th day of the 7th month like God commanded, Jeroboam sinned by giving his people a good enough reason to celebrate it on the 15th day of the 8th month. (Verse 32) How incredibly close does this relate to our modern man-made holidays that are to take place soon after the Holy Feasts of the Lord? This is not a coincidence. The Apostle Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22, 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. So I want you to ask yourself something when you have time. Ask yourself, EDo my beliefs hold up against the Holy Bible?X This is a very important question. A question that regularly needs to be asked to make sure we are not shifting from our Father. Time truly needs to be put into this question but in order to do that, one must leave emotion out of it. Use empirical data from the bible to prove your beliefs right or wrong. If you find yourself right on a topic, be glad that God has given you this knowledge. If you happen to be wrong on a topic, thank God Almighty for showing you this and seek His wisdom in order to obtain the correct answer. Also, make sure not to be offended by what is in the bible. The Bible is offensive. We can see this in the murders of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. If we cannot do this, we will not be given eternal life.
The evidence I give you to discard these holidays is clear and abundant. Looking through all this with logic is enough to say that we ought not to celebrate these pagan feasts. There are consequences for all of our actions, every single last one, and the punishment for not serving our Lord the way He wants to be served is severe. Be first to comment
Event Dates
On date:
Until date:
Show event in the calendar also
You Tube link
Event Title
peronal access password
save for personal use only
write full screen
Upload images
Username Password member Sign in
don't remember me on this computer
remember my username on this computer
keep me signed in on this computer
Facebook Sign in
You can come back to this at any time. Just click Membership
Your real name
(no one but other members can see this)
Where do you live
(no one but other members can see this)
Your pnone number
(no one but other members can see this)
Your email address
(no one but other members can see this)
These are all optional. This is used in the member phone book.
All data on this site is securely encrypted. Even your password is not saved nor recorded. If the NSA ordered this ISP to give up all its data, even then, it could not get your password, because your password is not recorded. Even we do not know what your password is.
It is possible to know if someone provides the same password as before without actually knowing the password they provided before. God created a world far more complex than most can even imagine. Consider for a moment, what that amazing fact has to say about the security with which we can trust the Word of God as it was translated and transcribed over the millennia.
USERNAME
the name you want others to see. You can use your real name with spaces.
Password
if you already have an account and are changing your password or other information
NEW password
if this is a new account or you are changing your password. This can be any thing you want it to be. Any characters you can type.
Retype your password
so we are sure you remember what you typed. Even we don't know your password
Member Invitation Code
Membership is by invitation only. If you did not receive a member invitation code, you can not become a member now. Contact your pastor to ask for one. Or email Jerry Wickey Jr. or call him at 800 722 2280.
Facebook Sign in
